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any idea what the take was for the meteor shower last nite?  I got
clouded out. . .

owner-meteorobs-digest@latrade.com wrote:
> 
> meteorobs-digest           Friday, 9 October 1998       Volume 01 : Number 769
> 
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> From: Mircea ROMANITAN <mitch@sfinx.lasting.ro>
> Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 16:20:31 +0300 (EET DST)
> Subject: Re: (meteorobs) novice
> 
> Can you give me the web link? I don't have it.
> 
> On Fri, 9 Oct 1998, Lew Gramer wrote:
> 
> >
> > Mircea, please be aware that there are OTHER showers before the Leonids
> > come in mid-November: the next major shower is the Orionids of mid- to
> > late October. There are also several (more or less) "minor" showers in
> > between, including the Southern and Northern Taurids, Epsilon Geminids,
> > and another shower with outburst potential - the alpha Monocerotids!
> >
> > Again, see the Web site! And if you don't have Web access, let me know.
> >
> > Clear skies!
> > Lew "Rainman" Gramer
> >
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> From: Rainer Arlt <100114.1361@compuserve.com>
> Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 10:54:31 -0400
> Subject: (meteorobs) IMO Shower Circ. Draconids 1998
> 
>          -------------------------------------
> 
>          I M O   S h o w e r   C i r c u l a r
> 
>          -------------------------------------
> 
>                     DRACONIDS 1998
> 
> Two orbital periods after the 1985 Draconid outburst,
> expectations were high for the night 1998 Oct 8-9. An
> outburst with activity of ZHR>500 occurred over Asian
> longitudes on 1998 October 8, 13h-14h UT. The informa-
> tion is based on visual reports as given by Koseki
> (Japan, 21 observers),  a detailed report by Osada
> (Japan), reports from Xing Ming and Jin Zhu (China),
> a visual and video report by Jun-ichi Watanabe (Japan),
> radar observations by Simek (Czech Republic), radio
> observations by Ewen-Smith (Portugal) and Bus (the
> Netherlands).
> 
> Details of the reports are as follows; all UT times refer
> to 1998 October 8, save for the last period:
> 
> Report by Masahiro Koseki (Japan, visual):
> - ------------------------------------------
> Period(UT) ZHR  +- [standard deviation]
> 0900-1000   14   6 (ZHRs were reported
> 1000-1100   23  11  by Koseki)
> 1100-1200   61  43
> 1200-1300  147  55
> 1300-1400  371 243
> 1400-1500  174 123
> 1500-1600  121  72
> 
> Detailed report by Kazuhiro Osada (Japan, visual):
> - --------------------------------------------------
> Period(UT) ZHR  +- [1/sqrt(n)]
> 1050-1130  154  33
> 1240-1250  901 144
> 1250-1300  867 144
> 1300-1310 1082 165
> 1310-1320 1265 183
> 1320-1330  968 164
> 1330-1340  640 136
> 1340-1350  442 123
> 1350-1400  575 144
> 1400-1410  457 132
> 1410-1420  323 114 radiant below 20deg henceforth
> 1420-1430  302 114
> 1430-1440  193 136
> 
> Report by Jin Zhu (China, visual):
> - ----------------------------------
> Period(UT) ZHR  +- [1/sqrt(n)]
> 1143-1227  230  45
> 
> Report by Jun-ichi Watanabe (Japa, visual-video):
> - -------------------------------------------------
> 1200-1330  ZHR>200
> 1300-1330  28 GIA on TV monitor with lm~6.0 and a
>            field of view of 40deg x 20deg
> 
> Report by Zhou Xing Ming (China, visual):
> - -----------------------------------------
> Period(UT) ZHR  +- [1/sqrt(n)]
> 1336-1421  562  53
> 
> Report by Milos Simek (Czech Republic, radar):
> - ----------------------------------------------
> 1330       maximum of 400 events per hour at unfavourable
>            radiant geometry
> 
> Report by Bev Ewen-Smith (Portugal, radio):
> - -------------------------------------------
>     -1000  no enhancement
> 1000-1200  increase of short events (<10sec)
> 1200-1400  4 events (10-20sec) per minute
> 1400-1415  decrease of short events, a few very large events (1min)
> 
> Report by Eisse Peter Bus (the Netherlands, radio):
> - ---------------------------------------------------
> 0700-0800   9  events >1sec
> 0800-0900  14
> 0900-1000  28
> 1000-1100  33
> 1100-1200  64
> 1200-1300  97  maximum suggested at 1245 UT
> 1300-1400  90
> 1400-1500  31
> 
> Report by Ilan Manulis (Israel, visual):
> - ----------------------------------------
> 1541-1741  5-7 per hour, group observation
> 1741-1836  1-2 per hour, lm=3D5.5-6.0
> 
> European results (visual):
> - --------------------------
> Period(UT) nGIA  ZHR
> 1715-1815   7    24  Helle Jaaniste (JAAHE), Estonia
> 1745-1818   2     6  Jurgen Rendtel (RENJU), Germany
> 1750-1821   4    15  Rainer Arlt (ARLRA), Germany
> 1818-1855   3     8  Jurgen Rendtel (RENJU)
> 1821-1853   2     7  Rainer Arlt (ARLRA)
> 1817-1913   7    12  Marco Langbroek (LANMA), the Netherlands
> 1833-1903   4    21  Ike Lysell (LYSAK), Sweden
> 1837-1926   4    10  Enrico Stomeo (STOEN), Italy
> 1855-1930   0     -  Jurgen Rendtel (RENJU)
> 1853-1931   0     -  Rainer Arlt (ARLRA)
> 1845-1945   7    40  Jaak Jaaniste (JAAJA), Estonia
> 1912-1926   0     -  Stephen McCann, UK
> 2010-2045   2    13  Erico Stomeo (STOEN)
> 2242-2247   0     -  Jurgen Rendtel (RENJU)
> 0250-0330   0     -  M. Linnolt, California, USA  [1998 Oct 9]
> 
> If not explicitely mentioned otherwise, ZHRs were calculated by
> myself with r=3D2.0, alpha=3D262, delta=3D+54. A high proportion of
> faint meteors were reported during the peak; the ZHRs may thus
> be underestimated. We can conclude that the Draconid maximum
> occurred at lambda_sol=3D195.078+-0.010 degress (eq. 2000.0).
> 
> - ----
> Rainer Arlt, 1998 Oct 9
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> From: Malcolm Currie <mjc@ast.star.rl.ac.uk>
> Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 16:08:37 +0100 (BST)
> Subject: Re: (meteorobs) Re: Statistics & Stationary Meteors
> 
> George Zay wrote:
> > I don't keep grand totals that combines all years together either. However, I
> > do keep yearly totals in a log book that starts over with each new year. I
> > record things such as Total meteors recorded, total meteors plotted, total
> > meteors counted only, Fireballs, Teff Hours, Nites observed, meteors
> > photographed, who I've emailed my reports to, and when I mailed plotting
> > charts to Rainer. Several times they have been very helpful to refer
> > to...particularly when my total and Arlts total that he has for me doesn't
> > match. It makes it easier to notice if I'm missing a report or
> > something...which happens about once a year.
> 
> Some logging sounds useful.  In my earlier years I did this, and for
> me it would help the have lists by observer.  That makes it easier to
> write IMO annual reports, not that I've done one for a while
> (sorry-Bob, but there's not been much to report).  I could also record
> when I've made backup copies of observations.  OK I'll get more
> organised, but I won't keep a grand total.  The downside can be
> that in trying to beat your own records the quality of data suffers
> and you perhaps observe when you shouldn't, affecting your performance
> at work.
> 
> Malcolm
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> From: GeoZay@aol.com
> Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 11:42:21 EDT
> Subject: Re: (meteorobs) Re: Statistics & Stationary Meteors
> 
> In a message dated 98-10-09 11:16:28 EDT, you write:
> 
> malcolm<< The downside can be
>  that in trying to beat your own records the quality of data suffers
>  and you perhaps observe when you shouldn't, affecting your performance
>  at work.
>   >>
> 
> And maybe the quality of data doesn't suffer? Maybe the quality and quantity
> of data increases? You learn when to take those effective naps prior to
> observing. Are you recommending that  very active observers should observe
> less so that they won't make your efforts look so bad?  :o)  As for effecting
> my performance at work...I haven't seemed to notice any? I find the niches
> like most other folks so as not to significantly effect my work performance.
> George Zay
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> From: Werfried Kuneth <kuneth@netway.at>
> Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 17:46:57 +0200 (MET DST)
> Subject: (meteorobs) Draconids peak radio GIFs
> 
> After processing all the data, the Radio peak here is set to be from 12:50UT
> to 13:20 UT on Oct 8, 1998 with increasing rates before that and decreasing
> rates thereafter.
> 
> Do you want to see the radio peak? - I have two GIF pictures available which
> show the time frame from 11:20 UT - 14:40 UT, with the Draconids peak coming
> up and disappearing (200KB). This is no Graph, but the original recording
> with time stamps. To get this files please send me direct e-mail, have no
> web-site available.
> 
> Werfried Kuneth
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> From: Thomas Ashcraft <72632.1427@compuserve.com>
> Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 12:11:50 -0400
> Subject: (meteorobs) Draconids peak radio GIFs
> 
> - -------------------- Begin Original Message --------------------
> 
> Message text written by INTERNET:meteorobs@latrade.com
> 
> "After processing all the data, the Radio peak here is set to be from
> 12:50UT
> to 13:20 UT on Oct 8, 1998 with increasing rates before that and decreasi=
> ng
> rates thereafter. =
> 
> Do you want to see the radio peak? - I have two GIF pictures available
> which
> show the time frame from 11:20 UT - 14:40 UT, with the Draconids peak
> coming
> up and disappearing (200KB). This is no Graph, but the original recording=
> 
> with time stamps. To get this files please send me direct e-mail, have no=
> 
> web-site available.
> 
> Werfried Kuneth"
> 
> - -------------------- End Original Message --------------------
> 
> Hi Werfried,
> 
> Please include me when you send the gifs.
> 
> I have a good audio tape of the 13oo UT hour, especially from 1314 to 133=
> 4
> UT. Very strong activity.  But I was not fully awake and mentally tuned i=
> n
> then and didn't expect the radio peak to occur during this period. I
> thought it was just a combination of sporadics and Draconids. So I had
> turned on my computer at 1334 which suppressed the meteor reception
> somewhat. I was preparing for a later peak at 17 or so.  Oh well.  There
> was tropo in any case throughout the remainder of the morning here.
> 
> Thanks.--Thomas =
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> From: Malcolm Currie <mjc@ast.star.rl.ac.uk>
> Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 17:19:54 +0100 (BST)
> Subject: Re: (meteorobs) Re: Statistics & Stationary Meteors
> 
> George Zay wrote in reply to Lew discussing Bob's point-meteor frequency:
> > Perhaps if all the Very Short meteors and Stationary meteors were bright he
> > would see more? But meteors appear in a variety of magnitudes. I also find
> > meteor movement gets my attention for the appearance of a meteor. Without it,
> > I think a lot of meteors would be missed?
> 
> I concur.  The angular motion is what makes faint meteors noticeable.
> One test would be to compare the mean magnitudes of both samples and
> see if they're statistically significant.  My recollection is that most
> `point meteors' were +1 or brighter.
> 
> I think the perception of short and point meteors varies considerably
> from observer to observer.  This is based on my experiences in group
> watches.
> 
> > If you are looking with your center
> > of view on a radiant, a lot of shower meteors will often appear very short.
> > Combining Very short meteors with relatively dim meteors (such as +4 or +5),
> > There may not be enough distance for the meteor to have traveled and be
> > noticed as a meteor and not some dim star to get one's attention? This is the
> > main reason why I prefer to observe  about 20-30 degrees from a radiant.
> 
> The regulation distance was 40 away in my days a visual observer.  The
> reason why I see higher-than-average number of faint meteors is my
> fortunate ability to detect faint moving objects across a wide field
> of view.  It's so amazing that I often detect satellites just before
> they enter the field of view of my telescope.  It's spooky.  My guess
> is that's it's some reflection in the Koenig eyepiece stopped down to
> a 1.25 inch.  Now only if I could do that for meteors.
> 
> > may not be as apt to notice the short dim meteors close to a radiant as easily
> > as you would those that would travel a little further along about 30 degrees
> > away?
> 
> That sounds eminently plausible to me.
> 
> Malcolm
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> From: Michael Doyle <gmike@ccsi.com>
> Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 11:45:34 -0500 (CDT)
> Subject: (meteorobs) Draconids 1998 from Texas
> 
> Good morning all,
> 
> Fall weather finally broke through to central Texas on Tuesday - perfect
> timing for attempts to observe any possible Giacobinids.  Skies clear of
> dust and moisture meant Lm's at 5.8 until an hour after the moon rose, for
> the direction I was facing.
> 
> Observe: Michael Doyle
> Date: Oct. 8/9, 1998 (UT)
> Location: NW of Bertram, Texas, 98.09 degs.W, 30.78 degs. N
> 
>   UT      Teff Lm  GIA SPO Field
> 0011-0111 .92  5.8  0   2  NNW,alt.65 degs. (so radiant included)
> 0111-0141 .47  5.8  1   3  N,alt.55 degs.
> 0141-0211 .47  5.7  1   3  NNW,alt.80 degs.
> 0211-0241 .50  5.2  2   3  NNW,alt.65 degs.
> 
>      -1 0 +1 +2 +3 +4
> GIA   0 0  2  1  1  0
> SPO   1 0  2  4  3  1
> 
> Well, not too spectacular, but at least more successful than the Pi
> Puppids back in April, of which I saw none (though the summers are hot
> here in Texas, at least I have a deep southern horizon).  This shower is
> produced by comet 26P/Grigg-Skjellerup and since it passed perihelion on
> Aug. 30, 1997 there was some hope, as for the Giacobinids, that there
> would be some meteor activity.  At least I can observe P/Giacobini-Zinner
> at this apparition, which was not the case for Grigg-Skjellerup.
> 
> Michael Doyle
> Round Rock, Texas, U.S.A.
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> From: Lew Gramer <dedalus>
> Date: Fri, 09 Oct 98 13:08:55 -0400
> Subject: Re: (meteorobs) Re: Statistics & Stationary Meteors
> 
> >Are you recommending that very active observers should observe
> >less so that they won't make your efforts look so bad?  :o)
> 
> Is it now open season on Malcolm for some reason, folks?
> 
> I thought it was fairly clear from the context that he was referring to
> his OWN motivations - not anyone else's. But then I'm pretty good with
> reading English, and perhaps others aren't? No shame in that, George...
> 
> We're all (happily or otherwise) sleep deprived, so let's take it a bit
> easier this week with personal comments?
> 
> Thanks,
> Lew
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> From: Lew Gramer <dedalus>
> Date: Fri, 09 Oct 98 13:15:09 -0400
> Subject: (meteorobs) The 'meteorobs' Web Archive and Information Site
> 
> Please Note: There is a Searchable Web Archive containing every post to
> the 'meteorobs' mailing list since early 1996 (now nearly 10,000 posts!)
> 
> The Web site with the Archive also includes several informational pages
> describing the list in detail, and giving basic answers to a variety of
> "Frequently Asked Questions" (FAQ) about meteor observing.
> 
> Access the site through:
>     http://www.tiac.net/users/lewkaren/meteorobs
> 
> Sorry, no "www.meteorobs.org" as of yet! I haven't had the time to deal
> with NIC naming paperwork - nor money to pay for a virtual domain. :)
> 
> Clear skies!
> Lew Gramer
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> From: Gregory David Stempel <fyrframe@ptinet.net>
> Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 11:16:43 -0700
> Subject: Re: (meteorobs) novice
> 
> George
> 
> Comet? Rats, I hate when I do that._grin I was thinking that anyway.
> 
> The problem with being a newbie, you have to go through the "stupid
> comments" period.
> 
> Still raining here.
> 
> Thanks George. Take care.
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> From: Gregory David Stempel <fyrframe@ptinet.net>
> Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 11:54:50 -0700
> Subject: Re: (meteorobs) The 'meteorobs' Web Archive and Information Site
> 
> Lew
> 
> >>>>a Searchable Web Archive containing every post to
> the 'meteorobs' mailing list since early 1996 (now nearly 10,000
> posts!)<<<
> 
> Yikes! This could make a newbie neophyte like myself nervous_grin
> 
> Take care
> Gregory
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> From: Mohammad Odeh <odehjas@geocities.com>
> Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 21:12:33 +0200
> Subject: (meteorobs) 1998 Draconids Metero Shower from Jordan.
> 
> Hello Again,
> 
>   Now u can see our detailed report of the 22nd Astronomical Camping for
> JAS, which was devoted to observe the Draconids meteor Shower. It
> contains both; our visual and radio observation.
> 
>   The report can be reached at:
> http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/1092/dra98.html
> 
> Best Regards
> Moh'd
> - --
> **********************************************************************
> Mohammad Shawkat Odeh.
> Jordanian Astronomical Society (JAS).
> Member of JAS Administrative Board.
> Head of Radio-Astronomy Committee.
> odehjas@geocities.com
> http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/1092/index.html  (Personal URL)
> http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/1092/jas.html    (JAS URL)
> *******X-Mozilla-Status: 0009*****************************************
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> From: Mark Mikutis <perseus1@pcpartner.net>
> Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 15:08:40 -0500
> Subject: (meteorobs) Draconid observations on 10/8-9/98
> 
> Last night I was able to get out for a few hours to watch the Draconid
> meteor shower. This was the first time I have ever watched this shower. I
> was not sure what to expect. I observed from 00:45 UT to 02:45 UT on
> October 8/9, 1998 and saw 9 Draconids and 5 Sporadics during 2 hours Teff.
> The majority were around magnitude 2. I did see one meteor of magnitude -3
> with a train of approx. 4.5 secs! Its flight covered nearly 50 degrees. It
> was beautiful!!! I will certainly mark this shower down on my calendar for
> next year. Moonrise washed me out at 02:18 UT, but those 2 hours were
> certainly enjoyable.
> 
> Clear Skies (and no moon),
> 
> Mark Mikutis
> E-mail: perseus1@pcpartner.net
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> From: Lew Gramer <dedalus>
> Date: Fri, 09 Oct 98 16:28:46 -0400
> Subject: Re: (meteorobs) Draconid observations on 10/8-9/98
> 
> Thanks for sharing your logs, Mark - sounds like you had a great
> night's observing, especially compared to some other poor clouded
> out sots here in the US (like me)! :)
> 
> >I will certainly mark this shower on my calendar for next year.
> 
> Alas, the elusive Draconids are what is known as a "periodic" (as
> opposed to an "annual") shower: they seem to only appear in years
> when their parent body, Comet Giacobini-Zinner is near perihelion!
> (Although I did just hear this year that some observing groups do
> report very low ZHRs for this shower in occasional off years...)
> 
> Which brings up an interesting question: how many other periodic
> meteor showers are there? In other words, showers which are not
> even perceptible as *minor* showers in their off years, but yet
> which are still known or predicted to return in the years ahead?
> 
> The Bielids/Andromedids are long dead (we believe). The Alpha
> Monocerotids, Pi Puppids, and other "outburst showers" ARE still
> perceptible in off years, albeit they are very minor then. But
> what showers other than the GIAs do we know of that are neither
> "extinct" NOR annual?
> 
> Clear skies!
> Lew
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> From: Wa3flr@aol.com
> Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 16:40:57 EDT
> Subject: Re: (meteorobs) Clouded Out
> 
> In a message dated 98-10-08 22:14:43 EDT, you write:
> 
> << Here in South Jersey we've been watching Jupiter and Pallas all week...with
> a
>  sporadic here and there but tonite we're watching buckets and buckets of rain
>  coming down...glad it was better in Europe and Asia.
> 
>  Fred Mason
>  Atlantic Community College
>  capnjeep@worldnet.att.net
> 
>  Mark Davis wrote:
> 
>  > Just returned from a quiet drive home after getting rained out. It never
> did
>  > clear up completely, except out over the ocean. Unfortunately thunderstorms
>  > moved in from the west and dumped a lot of rain.
>  >
>  > Will try again tomorrow night...
>  >
>  > Mark
>   >>
> 
> 8/9 Oct clouded over with heavy rain at times in Western Pennsylvania.  It
> does not look very well for the 9/10 either. <sniff-sniff>
> 
> Terry WA3FLR
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> From: Mark Mikutis <perseus1@pcpartner.net>
> Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 15:38:58 -0500
> Subject: (meteorobs) Radius of shower Radiant points
> 
> Could someone please help me out?
> 
> I am trying to find the radius of a couple of shower radiant points for:
> 
> Draconid/Giacobinids
> 
> Orionids
> 
> I have looked all over for this info, but I have not been able to find it.
> I suspect it may be listed in some Appendix, but I do not have much written
> material available.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Mark Mikutis
> E-mail:perseus1@pcpartner.net
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> From: star8894@webtv.net (Fred & Gail Weber)
> Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 17:14:53 -0400 (EDT)
> Subject: Re: (meteorobs) Clouded Out
> 
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> Fred
>      I was just telling Fred from SJAC the same thing.  This usually
> happens to us during the Perseids.  Maybe next time.
>                         Clear skies(not here)
>                                  Fred 8-(
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> In a message dated 98-10-08 22:14:43 EDT, you write:
> 
> << Here in South Jersey we've been watching Jupiter and Pallas all week...with
> a
>  sporadic here and there but tonite we're watching buckets and buckets of rain
>  coming down...glad it was better in Europe and Asia.
> 
>  Fred Mason
>  Atlantic Community College
>  capnjeep@worldnet.att.net
> 
>  Mark Davis wrote:
> 
>  > Just returned from a quiet drive home after getting rained out. It never
> did
>  > clear up completely, except out over the ocean. Unfortunately thunderstorms
>  > moved in from the west and dumped a lot of rain.
>  >
>  > Will try again tomorrow night...
>  >
>  > Mark
>   >>
> 
> 8/9 Oct clouded over with heavy rain at times in Western Pennsylvania.  It
> does not look very well for the 9/10 either. <sniff-sniff>
> 
> Terry WA3FLR
> 
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> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> From: Lew Gramer <dedalus>
> Date: Fri, 09 Oct 98 17:31:40 -0400
> Subject: Re: (meteorobs) Radius of shower Radiant points
> 
> Mark, the annual "IMO Meteor Shower Calendar" has radiant sizes,
> but only for *featured* showers of that year. However, both the
> GIAs and ORIs happen to be featured in this year's! See:
>         http://www.imo.net/calendar/cal98.html
> 
> (The GIAs are listed as having a 5o radius, the ORIs as 10o! But
> note that the appropriate radiant size to assume depends on your
> meteor's distance from that radiant, due to alignment error...)
> 
> NOTE: The IMO site also already has a nice summary of this year's
> Draconid activity, in the often-updated "News and Events" page at:
>         http://www.imo.net/news/news.html
> 
> Clear skies!
> Lew
> 
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> 
> From: star8894@webtv.net (Fred & Gail Weber)
> Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 17:38:43 -0400 (EDT)
> Subject: Re: (meteorobs) Radius of shower Radiant points
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> Mark
>      Don't know if this is what your looking for but you might try it by
> clicking the month you want, then click on the shower you want.  I
> believe it gves you the radii.
> http://medinfo.wustl.edu/~kronkg/index.html  This is part of Gary
> Kronk's website of Comets & Meteors.  Good luck.
>                           Clear skies(not here)
>                                      Fred  8-(
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> Could someone please help me out?
> 
> I am trying to find the radius of a couple of shower radiant points for:
> 
> Draconid/Giacobinids
> 
> Orionids
> 
> I have looked all over for this info, but I have not been able to find it.
> I suspect it may be listed in some Appendix, but I do not have much written
> material available.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Mark Mikutis
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